This transcript of a conversation with Zdeněk Bonaventura Bouš delves into the complex issues of salvation, redemption, and the meaningfulness of life. The discussion focuses on differences in terminology and conceptual distinctions, particularly in the context of 'salvation,' which is examined from various perspectives. The debate touches upon the negative aspects from which man is to be saved (death, guilt, inability to realize oneself) while also analyzing whether these aspects might not be meaningful. Significant attention is paid to the concept of 'self-realization' and its critique as a modern, subjectivist notion, in contrast to realizing oneself through fulfilling a meaningful task or mission. The distinction between ordinary rescue (e.g., from danger) and salvation as a new life also plays a key role. The final part of the conversation addresses the fear of death, its interpretation as 'anxiety,' and its relationship to the meaningfulness of life, exploring various philosophical and theological perspectives.